September 24, 2006
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"The God Delusion"
Interesting... (as is also his idea of how religion can be 'removed' from the world...)
While I certainly would not claim to defend "religion" in general, I am extremely interested in the rationality and viability of belief in Jesus Christ as the Creator, Savior, and Lord God (which Dawkins would probably call 'the religion of Christianity'). So here is my reply.
Belief/trust in Jesus Christ is not primarily about "explanation, exhortation, consolation, or inspiration", although it certainly does provide an excellent basis for each of them. Instead, the primary concern of a follower of Jesus Christ must be truth.
We must ask not "what would provide me with the best sermon" but "what is the actual state of affairs in the universe and in my life?" "What is the truth about my soul? (if I have a soul)"
Is it true that God exists, that He has created me, that I am responsible to Him for my actions? Is it true that although I have messed up my life beyond any hope of eternal happiness, that God wrapped Himself in flesh and came to the earth for the express purpose of dying in my place?
Dawkins mention of "explanation" is closest to what I'm saying, though I bet I could summarize what he was referring to in a single sentence - "a long time ago people didn't know what caused lightning and rain, so they invented gods to pray to, but now we know that lightning and rain are caused by physical laws, so we don't need gods anymore... we're grown-up now." Actually, contra Dawkins, some events are still "explained" better under the theistic hypothesis than the naturalistic hypothesis, like Creation and the Resurrection. And the theistic/possibility-of-miracles hypothesis doesn't impinge upon real operational science at all.
Dawkins, eloquent and educated though he is, not only comes to the wrong conclusions, but even deeper - he is asking the wrong questions.
Comments (5)
Hey that awesome!
I would like to add that Dawkins is quoted as saying "Before Darwin, it was impossible to be an intellectually satisfied atheist." I love that quote, apart from what he was trying to imply about nowadays.
Hey, I love that quote too!
[Dawkins, eloquent and educated though he is, not only comes to the wrong conclusions, but even deeper - he is asking the wrong questions.]
Now, part of your post said [I am extremely interested in the rationality and viability of belief in Jesus Christ as the Creator, Savior, and Lord God (which Dawkins would probably call 'the religion of Christianity'). ]
This implies that you have not read the book (correct me if I'm wrong). It's tough to come to the conclusion that he came to the "wrong conclusions" without reading the book.
Now, as someone who has read the [first half of the] book, I'd like to clear up one thing. Dawkins does not claim that religion arose from [a long time ago people didn't know what caused lightning and rain, so they invented gods to pray to]. He claims that religion is a misfiring of our instinct which (for good Darwinian reasons) tells children to listen to adults unquestioningly. A child cannot work out the truths of the world through trial and error. If so, the first time the child decided to question "will I fall off that cliff" that child's genes would be eliminated from the gene pool. Now, if this child is told at a very young age explanations about the earth that were supernatural, it would be tough to get those notions out of his/her head at a later date. It's why the Jesuits have the maxim, "Give me a child for the first seven years, and I'll give you the man."
Thanks for your thoughts on the Dawkins review. No, I have not read the book other than the brief excerpts (which, however, I think I limited my comments to). Thanks for sharing more about Dawkins' argument from your reading. I find his thought stimulating and fun to read and ponder, though I also find much of his thought greatly mistaken.
In what you posted about his argument (i.e. the claim that religion comes from children being brainwashed by adults and being unable to think outside orthodox bounds when they grow up, as a sort of evolutionary defect (i.e. atheists are more highly evolved than theists)), I agree with some of it and disagree with some of it. I agree that children do in fact believe much without question, and that it is a helpful thing (though rather than ascribing this lifesaving trait to evolution, one could just as well ascribe it to a wise Designer). I agree that it is hard for all of us to free our minds from what we've been taught growing up (even if we repudiate some things, it is difficult to know whether we've only scratched the surface and are actually holding on to the vast majority of our beliefs simply because we've been brainwashed/brought-up-that-way - parents, culture, media, peers, etc). And I also would hold (as I assume you/Dawkins would agree) that it is a simple biological fact that youth in their 'adolescence' tend to become skeptical and to question the beliefs they've been taught. It's actually a neurological development stage, etc.
Ok. Where I disagree, then, is that "religion" is necessarily a false tale imposed by brainwashing. In fact, if Dawkins talks merely about "religion" in the abstract I can hardly take him seriously. Biblical Christianity, for example, is not an abstract religion at all... it is not primarily about ethics and morals and principles, but rather about certain verifiable historical events (which, of course, do have ethical/moral consequences). If I had been taught since infancy that Jesus came to earth and lived as a man, then died and was raised, fine -- that's my 'brainwashing' training, if you will. But when I become an adult, it's incumbent upon me to seek truth, and to believe in what is true, not merely what is nice or comforting or believed-by-all-my-friends etc. And if after careful inspection I come to believe in Jesus as described in the Bible, I don't see how Dawkins' theoretical etiologies have any relevance anymore.
If you want to read a quick book with tons of firepower, read Richard Wurmbrand's Answer to the Atheists' Handbook. That book is so, so clear and immutable; i love it!
Hey,
There's a review of the Dawkins' book in the NY Times, Oct. 22. I think you'll find it interesting.
Also, I think he's on tour right now for the book. He's coming through lynchburg this coming week. You should check to see if he'll be in your area. It'd be interesting to respond to the book in person...and intimidating.
-Chris
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