Bible reliability

  • Donald Miller, Francis Chan

    Here are two interesting articles I came across tonight.

    1. The first is a spicy commentary about a prediction Donald Miller wrote for CNN about religious trends in 2011.   http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/01/open-letter-to-donald-miller.html
    I read Donald's book "Blue Like Jazz" a couple years ago, and I think Frank Turk's comments are right-on.  Frank makes great points about the true gospel (of repentance and forgiveness, truth and love) that Jesus Christ preached.  Jesus was an "extremist"... a "radical"... in the best possible way...

    2. The second one is about how Francis Chan recently left his 4000-member California church because he felt it was becoming too focused on him rather than on Jesus Christ.  http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/22/%e2%80%9cchristian-famous%e2%80%9d-pastor-quits-his-church-moves-to-asia/
    Here's a quote from the article:
    In his world of big conference crowds, multiple services each week, and instant access to social media, the notion of pastoral care had begun to change. His fame was straining his work as a pastor. “When there is a large constituency, there’s a lot of voices,” he said. “It makes you arrogant or it makes you want to shoot yourself. When thousands of people tell you what they think, how can I be quick to listen, like the Bible says? I don’t want to be a jerk and tune everyone out. At the same time you, can’t love every single person and answer them.”

    Francis is so right about that.  And I highly admire him for his action.  The whole idea of the salaried pastoral "job" is not quite Biblical, it seems to me (though pastoral/elder roles are Biblical and voluntary financial gifts to assist them in their work are Biblical)... as are the large buildings and other trappings of modern institutionalized "church".  (For more thoughts, see my posts on Steve Atkerson's book 'House Church', e.g. http://tim223.xanga.com/725607096/house-church-reading-notes-ch10-20/ ).

    Fame sometimes comes, as God's gifts attract attention.  But the modern church paradigms tend to put more pressure on pastors/elders than God intended for them to bear.  They are asked by Western culture to be CEOs of veritable religious corporations, spending their energies on building projects and christian community center programs, instead of God's charge that they take care of His people.  They are asked to be the man at the top of a pyramid of authority and honor, instead of God's paradigm:  "Do not be called leaders, for One is your Leader, that is, Christ."  Matthew 23:10

    Joshua Harris commented in the above article on Francis Chan's decision: "...Not every pastor of a big church should leave.”  Whether or not Joshua is right, I suggest that every pastor of a church should seek to multiply himself; to work himself out of a job; to disciple and raise up other men to lead and teach and preach... and disciple others.

    Taking a paid job as "pastor" or "clergy" in a Western institutionalized church is not necessarily evil, and I have been blessed by the friendship and preaching and mentorship of many such men over the years.  But it is a dangerous position, filled with perils and pressures that are unnecessary and not required by the Biblical plan for God's Church.

    All of that to say, I admire Francis Chan for his action, and I pray that God will use him with even greater effectiveness in the future as he serves smaller groups of people.  May his desire be granted: that people interacting with him would come away thinking not about him, but about Jesus Christ.

  • Sarah Palin told us so

    Interesting brief opinion article about contemporary medical ethics, by Cal Thomas (http://online.worldmag.com/2010/12/30/she-told-us-so/)

     

    She told us so

    Written by Cal Thomas
    December 30, 10:11 AM

    Sarah Palin deserves an apology. When she said that the new healthcare law would lead to "death panels" deciding who gets life-saving treatment and who does not, she was roundly denounced and ridiculed.

    Now we learn, courtesy of one of the ridiculers - The New York Times - that she was right. Under a new policy not included in the law for fear the administration’s real end-of-life game would be exposed, a rule issued by the recess-appointed Dr. Donald M. Berwick, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, calls for the government to pay doctors to advise patients on options for ending their lives. These could include directives to forgo aggressive treatment that could extend their lives.

    This rule will inevitably lead to bureaucrats deciding who is "fit" to live and who is not. The effect this might have on public opinion, which by a solid majority opposes Obamacare, is clear from an email obtained by the Times. It is from Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., who sent it to people working with him on the issue. Oregon and Washington are the only states with assisted-suicide laws, a preview of what is to come at the federal level if this new regulation is allowed to stand. Blumenauer wrote in his November email:

    "While we are very happy with the result, we won’t be shouting it from the rooftops because we aren’t out of the woods yet. This regulation could be modified or reversed, especially if Republican leaders try to use this small provision to perpetuate the ‘death panel’ myth."

    Ah, but it’s not a myth, and that’s where Palin nailed it. All inhumanities begin with small steps; otherwise the public might rebel against a policy that went straight to the "final solution." All human life was once regarded as having value, because even government saw it as "endowed by our Creator." This doctrine separates us from plants, microorganisms, and animals.

    Doctors once swore an oath, which reads in part: "I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion." Did Dr. Berwick, a fan of rationed care and the British National Health Service, ever take that oath? If he did, it appears he no longer believes it.

    Do you see where this leads? First the prohibition against abortion is removed and "doctors" now perform them. Then the assault on the infirm and elderly begins. Once the definition of human life changes, all human lives become potentially expendable if they don’t measure up to constantly "evolving" government standards.

    It will all be dressed up with the best possible motives behind it and sold to the public as the ultimate benefit. The killings, uh, terminations, will take place out of sight so as not to disturb the masses who might have a few embers of a past morality still burning in their souls. People will sign documents testifying to their desire to die, and the government will see it as a means of "reducing the surplus population," to quote Charles Dickens.

    When life is seen as having ultimate value, individuals and their doctors can make decisions about treatment that are in the best interests of patients. But when government is looking to cut costs as the highest good and offers to pay doctors to tell patients during their annual visits that they can choose to end their lives rather than continue treatment, that is more than the proverbial camel’s nose under the tent. That is the next step on the way to physician-assisted suicide and, if not stopped, government-mandated euthanasia.

    It can’t happen here? Based on what standard? Yes it can happen in America, and it will if the new Congress doesn’t stop it.

     

    I agree with Cal Thomas.  The basic problem is that a large and increasing number of Americans is turning away from the Bible as their source of moral grounding and authority.  The Bible teaches that humans are created in the image of God, and thus they may not be killed (except in a few specific punishment scenarios).  Thus it used to be said that humans are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."  Especially, humans may not be killed for the sake of convenience, whether they are old, sick, unborn, mentally or physically handicapped, or otherwise dependent.

    Once one rejects the Bible, human life becomes of similar value to animal life, and one's "right to live" becomes allegedly dependent on other people's consent.   And specifically, the government's consent.  If the government doesn't have the funds to pay for your medical coverage and decides that you are expendable, your "right to live" is theoretically immediately removed.

  • book reviews

    Here are some recently read books with a short blurb/synopsis, in case you might be interested in reading them too.   My previous set of reviews was September 12, 2009 if you want to read more (use the "Posting Calendar" link at the lower left side of this page).

     

    - Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 1, by Michael Brown - great book... addresses a lot of "I couldn't possibly consider Jesus my Messiah, because I'm Jewish, my whole family is Jewish, etc" and "Didn't Christians persecute the Jews for thousands of years?" type questions.  There are an amazing amount of carefully cited references... great resource!  There are three more volumes... I look forward to reading them...

    - Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome by John Sanford - Excellent book.  Thanks to Rich for giving it to me!  The gist is that random mutations are slowly destroying the human genome, little by little, inexorably, and neodarwinian evolution (natural selection + random mutation) is not only unable to create new genetic information, but unable even to maintain our current genome.  This implies that our genome was originally created essentially perfect by an Intelligent Designer, some thousands of years ago.  The book needs some editing to make it a little less redundant, and the pictures are a little corny (sometimes he seems to be aiming for a lay audience, and sometimes for a scientific audience), but overall the points he makes are excellent.

    - The Future of Justification, a response to N.T.Wright - by John Piper - great book... closely written theological rebuttal to NT Wright's New Perspective on Paul.  Piper does a good job of showing why justification is God's "forensic"/legal "writing us down NOW as if we're innocent", and how this individual forgiveness-of-sins is the heart of the gospel.   (as opposed to the NPP heresy, which teaches (similar to the RCC) that justification is God's eschatological pronouncement at the end of time that we are "in the covenant community", based on the good works that we've done during our lives through His enabling(/"infusing") power).

    - Overcoming Sin and Temptation - by John Owen (new edition by Kelly Kapic/Justin Taylor) - Excellent book!  Deep reading, difficult old english, but great thoughts on putting to death sin by the power of the Holy Spirit.  Overall summary: (1) It is extremely important to be putting sin to death in our lives... "be killing sin or it will be killing you". (2) the ONLY way to kill it is by the power of the Holy Spirit, not by accountability partners, or more Bible reading, or setting rules for oneself, or telling oneself "I'm better than that", or self denial or self-flagellation, or any other type of human-power-based approach to attempting to make oneself more righteous.

    - Evolution: greatest hoax on earth - by Jonathan Safarti - All of Safarti's books are worth reading.  This one dissects Richard Dawkins' latest book "Evolution: the greatest show on earth" which claims to present the most powerful and up-to-date evidence in favor of evolution.  Safarti's book carefully goes through Dawkins' claims and dispassionately blows each one out of the water.  It is a "polemical" book, but a rational, evenhanded polemic overall.

    - Head, Heart, and Hands - by Dennis Hollinger - Thanks to Tom for lending me this book.  Hollinger makes the point that some Christians are wired to be more "head" (intellectual)-oriented, others "heart" (emotional)-oriented, and others "hands" (practical, gift of helps, social-justice/soup-kitchens/etc)-oriented.  He makes the point that all aspects are necessary, and we need to understand our own selves and be willing to grow in the other two areas.

    - The Edge of Evolution - by Michael Behe (a RCC biology prof who believes in common-descent of man and apes, and in an old earth, but not that darwinian evolution can explain all of it) - fascinating in-depth look at what (darwinian) evolution can and can't do, using the specific examples of malaria and sickle-cell anemia resistance to malaria.  Pro: Behe is an expert on this subject, and also tries to make it accessible... he well demonstrates his point that evolution can make small destructive changes to genetic information that sometimes confer "resistance" to a particular disease, but it cannot cross the multiple-improbable-step gap to create new biological features and innovations and genetic information.  It's a little difficult to get through all the biology - I made it about halfway and then stopped for a while.

    - Signature in the Cell, by Stephen Meyer - great book!  It's basically about how evolution has no plausible way to create novel genetic information (in our DNA).  Meyer reviews all the theories and shows how they don't work (and contradict each other).  The only reasonable explanation is intelligent design...   The only downside to this book is that it's so long!  If it could be shortened, it would be better.

     

    What interesting books have you been reading lately?

  • Earthly things, Heavenly things

    Have you heard about the controversy about Genesis and inerrancy that has recently involved the Biologos group and Al Mohler?

    It started when Al Mohler gave a talk entitled "Why does the universe look so old?".
    In the speech, he in passing criticized the Biologos Foundation and its blog contributors for disbelieving and teaching others to disbelieve the textually evident six-24-hour-day creation week of Genesis 1.  Then Biologos contributers Darrell Falk and Karl Giberson and Peter Enns wrote responses to Al Mohler.  The dialogue is rather shocking, as Giberson and Enns showcase the deliberate rejection first of contextually-honest interpretation of Genesis, then of Biblical inerrancy itself.

    The Biologos folks are saying in essence: The Bible has some mistakes in some areas (like science), but that's not a problem because we can still learn from the rest.
    In the words of Peter Enns, "I do not think I am honoring Scripture by expecting it to reflect modern questions that were simply not on the mind of ancient Israelites. It seems to me that you [Mohler] may be expecting Genesis 1 to do something it was not intended to do, namely reflect factual information that would answer the sorts of questions we have today."

    Of course this distinction between "factual" truth versus some other kind of truth is unnecessary and dangerous.  As Jesus said in John 3, "If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?"

    Albert Mohler wrote an initial response here, and here is another trenchant critique by Lita Cosner.

    I think it's great that Al Mohler is challenging the Biologos folks about their teaching that the Bible contains mistakes.  Below, I'd like to (1) excerpt a couple highlights from Mohler's speech, and then comment on two areas:  (2) the actual content of the Biologos folks' argument, and (3) the devious and borderline fallacious language tricks that the Biologos folks tend to employ in their rhetoric.
    1. First, here are some excerpts from Al Mohler's original speech:

    "It’s not just panic amongst the cultural elites in the secular world however. It is also panic among the theologians. There is the warning from Professor Waltke, that if we do not get with the program we will be marginalized as a cult. There are the warnings of people like Peter Enns, the website BioLogos - a movement started by Francis Collins, now the director of the National Institutes of Health under President Obama, formerly the head of the Human Genome Project, the author of the book The Language of God in which he makes his own argument that, unless we get with the program, we are going to be intellectually marginalized. And Francis Collins makes the point made by so many others that we will actually lose credibility sharing the Gospel of Christ if we do not shed ourselves of the anti-intellectualism, which is judged to be ours by the elite if we do not accept the theory of evolution....
    "Kenton Sparks writing on that website suggests that, intellectually, evangelicalism has painted itself into a corner - that we have put ourselves into an intellectual cul-de-sac with our understanding of biblical inerrancy. He suggests that the Bible indeed should be recognized as containing historical, theological and moral error. Peter Enns, one of the most frequent contributors to the site, suggests that we have to come to the understanding that, when it comes to many of the scientific claims, historical claims, the writers of scriptures were plainly wrong.
    "Karl Giberson, Eastern Nazarene University, says this: "clearly the historicity of Adam and Eve and their fall from grace are hard to reconcile with natural history." He says this, "One could believe for example that at some point... in evolutionary history God ‘chose’ two people from a group of evolving humans, gave them his image, and put them in Eden, which they promptly corrupted by sinning. But this solution is unsatisfactory, artificial, and certainly not what the writer of Genesis intended.""
    "That’s not said by someone who’s defending the book of Genesis, but rather the theory of evolution, and trying to remove the possibility of the very kinds of things that some who identify themselves as evangelicals are trying to claim. An old earth understanding is very difficult to reconcile with a historical Adam as presented not only in terms of Genesis, but in terms of Romans. It requires an arbitrary claim that God created Adam as a special act of his creation and it entangles a good many difficulties in terms of both exegeses and a redemptive historical understanding of scripture."
    "It is not fair to say that an old earth position cannot hold to a historical Adam. It is to say that it cannot hold to a historical Adam without arbitrary intellectual moves and very costly theological entanglements. It is to say that this position seems to be at an insoluble collision with the redemptive historical narrative of the Gospel. The cost to the Christian church, in terms of ignoring this question or abandoning the discussion, is just too high. The cost of confronting this question is also costly. It can be very expensive because it can create intensity and conflict and controversy but I would suggest that the avoidance of this will be at the cost of our own credibility.

     

     

    2. Now let's look at the specific arguments presented by the Biologos contributors.

    a. The Biologos people say that Biblical interpretation has been wrong about scientific matters before, and has needed outside help from scientific observations to correct the natural/straightforward meaning of the text.

    Example quote:
    Let us suppose that the viewpoint you champion-General Revelation cannot trump Special revelation-had guided Christianity from its inception. The natural reading of Psalms 93 is that the earth is fixed and cannot be moved. Indeed this was thrown at Galileo and got him in trouble for proposing an "unbiblical" astronomy. The natural reading of the Biblical references to slavery is that it is OK and I am sure, Dr. Mohler, as a leader of the Southern Baptists, that you are painfully aware of how enthusiastically your predecessors defended the institution of slavery on biblical grounds. And I am sure you take pride in how hard your contemporaries have worked to distance themselves from that history. The natural reading of the creation of the moon in Genesis is that it is a light, similar to the sun, and not just a big rock. Is there not a long list of examples where General Revelation has forced us to set aside Special Revelation?
    http://biologos.org/blog/how-should-biologos-respond-to-dr-albert-mohlers-critique-karls-response

    Ok, each of these are separate examples.  The slavery example does not seem relevant to the science debate.  On the moon, Genesis nowhere says that it was "not just a big rock".  Genesis merely calls the moon a "light", which it obviously is.  Genesis 1 -
     14Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;
    15and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.
    16God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.
    17God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,
    18and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness;

    On Galileo, others have shown that the main controversy was not science versus the Bible, but one scientific theory versus another.
    http://creation.com/galileo-geocentrism-and-joshuas-long-day-questions-and-answers

    Does the Scripture clearly teach a geocentric solar system?  Not at all.  For example, regarding Psalm 93:1-2 which say
        1The LORD reigns, He is clothed with majesty;
    The LORD has clothed and girded Himself with strength;
    Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved.
    2Your throne is established from of old;
    You are from everlasting.

    consider this comment from http://creation.com/id-theorist-blunders-on-bible-response-to-dembski

    "Dembski should read the verse in context. The next verse says, ‘[God’s] throne is established of old’, where the same word kôn is also translated ‘established’. And the same Hebrew word for ‘moved’ (môt) is used in Psalm 16:8, ‘I shall not be moved.’ Surely, even Dembski wouldn’t accuse the Bible of teaching that the Psalmist was rooted to one spot! He meant that he would not stray from the path that God had set for him. So the earth ‘cannot be moved’ can also mean that it will not stray from the precise orbital and rotational pattern God has set (‘firmly established’) for it.
    ...the Psalms are poetic books, so we should generally expect figurative language and be very careful before concluding that a particular verse is literal. Psalms have the defining characteristic of Hebrew poetry, which is not rhyme or metre, but parallelism. That is, the statements in two or more consecutive lines are related in some way: saying something, then saying it again in a different way. Or saying one thing then saying the opposite. So the parallelism in Psalm 93 clearly shows the reader that the verse Dembski cites should not be taken literally.
    Conversely, Genesis is straightforward historical narrative. This should be obvious, because it has all the grammatical features of Hebrew narrative, e.g. the first verb (in Genesis 1:1) is a qatal (historic perfect), and the verbs that move the narrative forward are wayyiqtols (waw consecutives); it contains many ‘accusative particles’ that mark the objects of verbs; and terms are often carefully defined."

     

    Enns tries again: "The biblical authors, along with all ancient peoples, assumed the earth was stationary and that the sun moved. Would that not require us to do likewise?"

    Unfortunately, Enns misses the crucial distinction between assuming that the authors believed something, versus observing that the Bible (the authors' actual written output) states something.  How does Enns know that the author of Genesis believed that the sun revolved around the earth?  He assumes this, based only on writings from other ancient civilizations like the Babylonians and Egyptians.  But does the Bible actually teach that the sun revolved around the earth?  No.  So Enns' argument does not have any substance.

    As an example of Enns' fallacious reasoning, let me apply his technique against his own beliefs.  Imagine if I were to say, "Peter Enns is a member of the Biologos group, which is associated with Francis Collins.  Francis Collins is on record as supporting certain types of human embyronic stem cell research.  Human embyronic stem cells come only from abortions.  Therefore, we see that Peter Enns is a supporter of abortion.  Now, how could we possibly trust anything written about Genesis by someone who supports abortion?  Enns is only trying to get us to support abortion ourselves!"   This building of a specious case based on presumptive unstated beliefs is what Enns is trying to do in his point excerpted above.

    So Giberson's and Enns' point about Galileo seems superficially convincing, but upon examining the details, it becomes evident that the Bible does not teach the supposed "scientific errors" that they claim it does.  The Bible does, however, directly teach that the world was created in six days, and indirectly that it was created only a few thousand years ago.
    b. The Biologos people say that science is SO clear about the age of the earth, that there is ZERO doubt about it, and so any suggestion that the earth is only a few thousand years old simply MUST be wrong.

    Example quote:
    Most scientists consider the age of the earth to be almost as well-established as its shape. Just as “flat earthism” cannot be taken seriously any longer, neither can “young earthism,” and I wonder if you really want Christians to “vote science off the island,” for that is what you have to do to preserve the young earth claim.

    Giberson points specifically to the problem of starlight: how could light from stars millions of light-years away reach the earth in only thousands of years?  Even stellar events like supernovae and other things are seen.  If God created the light 'in-transit' but these events didn't actually happen, then God would seem to be deceiving mankind.

    Actually however, there are several good astronomical theories that explain how distant light could reach the earth in only thousands of years.  For example, the Humphreys/Hartnett models propose that the Milky Way and the Earth are located in the approximate center of the universe, and that gravitational time dilation explains why distant stars and starlight has "aged more" than life here on earth, especially during Creation Day 4.  Time dilation is a well-known phenomena that has been experimentally proven.  There are even effects like the Pioneer anomaly which are best explained using these young earth creationist models.

    So it is clear that "science" has not given an unequivocal answer regarding the age of the earth.  Some tests indicate old ages, while many others indicate young ages, perfectly in line with the Bible.  The scientific evidence and theories continue to develop, but the Bible's account remains literally accurate.

    Other scientific tests methods as radioactive dating and counting varves or ice cores have been shown to be inaccurate in many scenarios and in several events whose ages are precisely known.  For more info:
    http://creation.com/young-age-of-the-earth-universe-qa
    http://creation.com/radiometric-dating-questions-and-answers
    http://creation.com/fossils-questions-and-answers

     

    c. The Biologos people say that Genesis 1-2 cannot be literal because Gen 1:1-2 assume a "preexistent watery chaos" which God then "tamed."

    As to the "preexistence" of the water, the verse right before Genesis 1:2 says that "God created the heavens and the earth".  Thus it is stated that God created everything (including the waters), and then verse 2 "zooms in" and "picks up the story" from that first moment (1:1) to the creation of the sea/sky distinction.

    I agree with Enns that God is indeed portrayed as taming the seas, as is later poetically described in Job and other places.  But this does not mean that God did not create the world in six days as He specifically said in Genesis 1-2.  Just because Francis Scott Key wrote a nice rhyming poem about "rockets' red glare" and a flag proudly waving in "dawn's early light" doesn't mean that the battle at Fort McHenry on September 14th 1814 didn't happen.  History doesn't have to jettison accuracy when it alludes to grand themes.   There is historical accuracy, theological significance, and poetic beauty, in the way God describes His creation in Genesis 1-2.  Neither excludes the others.  For more on this, see this article on the framework theory.

     

    d. The Biologos people say that Genesis 1-2 cannot be literal because Gen 1:7 teaches the existence of a hard "firmament" which "held back" the "waters above."

    As explained elsewhere, Genesis 1:7 does not teach this at all.

     

    e. The Biologos people say that "days" mentioned before the creation of the sun indicates a non-literal Genesis 1-2.

    But this is obviously a weak argument.  "...all it takes to have a day-night cycle is a rotating Earth and light coming from one direction."

     

     
    3. The rhetoric of the Biologos group

    Here are some examples of rhetorical phrases from the Biologos group that are borderline fallacious, or especially doctrinally egregrious.
    Where does one draw the line that marks that place where one has *left evangelical Christianity*? Whose view of that line should we recognize?

    This is a 'straw man' argument... It seems to me that the real question is about truth, not denominationalism and demarcation.  The real question is: "How did God create the world?"  not,  "What is the minimum set of beliefs one has to believe to be called an 'Evangelical Christian'?"
    Did God form a literal first-man 'Adam' directly from dust on Day 6 and breathe into his nostrils the breath of life?  Or did He pick some particular hominid from some tribe of half-monkeys after millions of years of evolutionary survival-of-the-fittest and suddenly bequeath to him some socio-theological awareness?  Is the Bible sufficiently clear to decide between these competing explanations?
    As another example of why Falk's rhetoric is problematic, consider those who deny the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ.  Are we to wrestle with "where to draw the line" doctrinally on that issue?  Or do we simply point out that those who deny such doctrines are contradicting the Bible?  Who cares whether someone who denies parts of the Bible is called an "Evangelical" or a "Theistic Evolutionist" or a "Flubberdeemoo"?  Labels and lines are not the point.  The point is whether one is accurately interpreting and believing the Bible.
    The BioLogos Foundation exists in order that the Church, especially the Evangelical Church, can come to *peace* with the scientific data...

    Falk tries to uses "peace" vs "war" imagery...  i.e., he tries to paint believers in a literal Genesis as "warring" against "scientific data".  But actually, as one sifts the data from the interpretations, one discovers that there is plenty of scientific data that supports a young earth.  And one could just as easily say that the Biologos people are the ones "warring" against the traditional interpretation of Genesis 1.  We need to pray that they would come to peace with the literal interpretation of Genesis 1, the interpretation favored by Jesus, Moses, Paul, etc.
    My most general question would have to be whether this really matters as much as you say. It seems to me that you are making a theological mountain out of an exegetical molehill, but I suspect we should just agree to disagree about that.

    If Giberson really believed this, then why would he and his colleagues spend so many pages defending their position?   If one looks back at previous doctrinal controversies, such as the modernism/liberalism controversy of the early 1900's, one notices that all heretics say this.  They deny a particular truth from the Bible, then in the ruckus that arises, they try to paint themselves as indifferent to the issue.
    Many *faithful* Christians understand verses 1-2 this way, and they feel that they are honoring God’s Word by doing so.

    Notice that word "faithful".  This is the 'they're good people, how can they possibly be wrong' fallacy.  It is a sleight-of-hand intended to make it difficult to challenge these "faithful" Christians.  These are not just ordinary Christians.  These are "faithful" Christians.
    If you reply that these Christians are not "faithful" in the sense of accurately interpreting Genesis (i.e. they call it poetry when it is actually historical narrative), the sleight-of-hand accuses you of demeaning their character (they keep their promises, they pay their bills, they are nice to their neighbors, etc).
    This fits with the current tendency to use language about being a 'faithful witness' and being part of the 'community of faith', as opposed to truth, accuracy, and correct beliefs.  If one is a sincere and "faith-filled" person but one's faith is based on incorrect foundations, that faith can lead into grevious error.
    Also, notice that they "feel that they are honoring God's word" by allegorizing and mythologizing away the young-earth creationistic implications of Genesis 1-2.  How can one argue against a "feeling"?!
    However, it remains the case that truly honoring God's word involves accurate interpretation and belief.  Merely "feeling" that one is honoring God's word does not guarantee that one is actually honoring God's word.  As Jesus and Moses believed that Genesis 1-2 referred to literal days of creation, we can follow their example in correctly understanding the account.  (Exodus 20:11, Matthew 19:4)
    I realize you may disagree here, and maybe you have a way of seeing literal days where there is no sun. I disagree strongly but *that would not lead me to question your commitment to the Gospel*. Reading the days figuratively is not an act of spiritual rebellion, which you seem to suggest. It is a result of taking the text very seriously and faithfully, trying to discern from the text itself how best to read it.

    Enns here is attempting to take the moral high ground, by insinuating "If you were in my place I wouldn't be condemning you... therefore you are being less openminded and generous and tolerant than I am...  therefore your argument is wrong."  For starters, this is an ad-hominem argument - attacking the character of the person arguing with you does not constitute an argument substantiating one's position.
    Further, this is a straw-man argument, because Mohler did not question Enns' 'committment to the Gospel', but rather, his accuracy of Genesis 1 interpretation and his (un)belief in the inerrancy of the Scriptures.
    Enns is quite defensive here, feeling attacked (for some reason) about whether he has been "faithful" and "committed to the gospel".  Actually however, the issue he should simply admit to is his belief in the errancy of the Scriptures.  Enns obviously believes that the Bible has mistakes in it, and Mohler was simply pointing that out.  Enns should admit that, e.g. "Although I do believe the Bible contains some scientific mistakes, I continue to try to take the text very seriously and faithfully."   That way readers can understand that when he says "seriously and faithfully", he means, "unless I come across an 'error', in which case I am free to discount it."
    Christians have disagreed with Augustine, but it is hard to find someone who would warn others about him because of his views on Genesis 1. It was not a theological hill to die on.
    Also, although you are a Southern Baptist, I know you have great respect for the Reformed tradition. It is true that from Calvin, to the Westminster Assembly, to 19th century Princeton, and the Dutch Reformed tradition, many (not all) Reformed theologians understood the days of Genesis 1 to be "natural" days. But even then, they did not make it a point of Christian orthodoxy, as you seem to do.

    These are more examples of Enns trying to say that the interpretation of Genesis 1-2 is "unimportant", and not worth spending much energy arguing about.  Unfortunately for Enns, our origins and the origin of sin is extremely important for the entire rest of the Bible.  Furthermore, it is not surprising that Calvin et al did not spend a lot of time on the literalness of Genesis, because the whole controversy did not exist back then!  Darwin would not yet be born for another 250 years.  But in each era, certain issues are hotly attacked by heretics and liberals, and must be defended.  In Calvin's and Luther's era, heretics were teaching salvation by works.  Thus these men powerfully defended the Bible's teachings in this area.  Today, Genesis 1-2 is widely discounted as a mythological/spiritual/nonliteral account by people and entities such as Biologos, and so Mohler and others naturally have need to defend that particular section of the Bible.
    Flexibility of views and generosity of spirit concerning Genesis 1 are hardly unusual among committed Christians. It is not a slippery slope to unbelief but a humble way forward to discern what it means to read God’s Word faithfully. I do not think such flexibility or generosity are a mistake, as you seem to argue. Would you not, along with many thoughtful Christian thinkers of the past, allow diverse points of view to sit side-by-side for the benefit of Christian unity?

    Notice the overload of "positive words" here, as Enns tries to whitewash his 'spiritualizing' and 'mythologizing' Genesis 1-2.  "Flexibility" implicitly portrays orthodoxy as "rigid and unbending", "generosity" portrays orthodoxy as "stingy", "humble" portrays orthodoxy as "arrogant".   "Diverse viewpoints allowed to sit side-by-side for unity" is set up against the traditional belief that Genesis 1-2 actually refers to a literal event, just as it explicitly describes.  The words "committed" and "thoughtful" are used (as "faithful" above) as epithets to try to sneak some extra argumentative force into the discussion by citing the lifestyle of the Christians who believe in an allegorical/mythological Genesis 1-2, rather than putting the weight of the argument on actual reasons to treat Genesis that way.
    How can we demonstrate that the *heart of the Gospel message* has nothing to do with the age of the earth or how God chose to create life?

    What defines the 'heart of the Gospel message?'  Who defines it?  Does this mean we don't need to refute false Biblical teaching, as long as it doesn't compose whatever we consider the "heart of the gospel message"?
    Falk's question points to a kind of "least-common-denominator" doctrinal minimalism, in which each doctrine that the Bible teaches is free to be jettisoned, one by one, because it supposedly has nothing to do with the "heart of the gospel".
    On the contrary, the Bible is clear -
        Every word of God is tested;
    He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
    Do not add to His words
    Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
      Proverbs 30:5-6

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

    So then, what is the gospel message?
    "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures...." 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

    What does "according to the Scriptures" mean?  Surely it means that the Christ who was prophesied throughout the Old Testament was the One who came to fulfil 'all that the prophets had spoken' about Him, Jesus.  The first prophecy was given in Genesis 3:15, to Adam and Eve, the first two humans, who had just sinned the first sin.  According to Paul in Romans 5, as he is defining the heart of the gospel, "...through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin...."  Paul builds a repeated comparison between Adam and Jesus which would make no sense if Adam were not historical and if death did not arise until Adam's sin.

    In the same chapter that contains the oldest and most succinct creedal summary of the "heart of the gospel" in Scripture, we find it stated that Adam was "the first man" (1 Corinthians 15:45).  If we deny the latter, we will end up denying the former.  The literal accuracy of the Genesis account has everything to do with the heart of the gospel.

  • Quran vs Bible

    Update: the four points below were written in response to the "burn-a-quran-day", which is now apparently (as of the evening of 9/9/2010) cancelled.  Sarah Palin's quote in Richard Fernandez' article here is quite relevant.
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    1. The Quran-burning event seems like an expression of anger rather than a rational argument.  While anger toward Islam as a system might be justified (because it sometimes leads people to commit terrorist acts, and even worse, because it keeps precious Muslim individuals away from the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the forgiveness and eternal life that they could otherwise experience in Him), the Quran-burning seems like a bad idea for several reasons.  First, when a book is banned or burned, the usual response is that people become more interested in the book.  A better approach would be to present reasoned arguments about why the Quran is false, rather than merely burning it.  Burning the paper and ink of the book does nothing except send a message of "I don't like this book".  The ideas and teachings are what need to be addressed, to answer the question of "Why" the Quran is false.  Second, the Quran-burning will probably cause lots of violent protests throughout the world, both toward Americans abroad and especially toward vulnerable Christian families in Muslim areas throughout the world, even if they are not American.  Thus, the Quran-burning is a bad idea. (see http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/8937514887.html )

    2. However, Muslims burn Bibles quite regularly.  Why do these burnings not cause Christians worldwide to go on violent protest rampages?  Perhaps the contrast (between many Bible-burnings leading to no Christian violence, versus one Quran-burning leading to lots of Muslim violence) needs to be made obvious to the world, and people need to ask themselves the question as to WHY the difference (and hopefully, read the Bible and the Quran and discover the difference for themselves).  Perhaps the aftermath of the Quran-burning event will have this good effect, even though I would personally disagree with the event itself because I prefer to show respect to other people who believe differently than I do.
    (examples of Bible-burning: here are a couple links that I found with a little internet searching...  also if you search for 'churches burned', you will find hundreds more links, and often Bibles are burned along with the churches.  E.g., churches burned by Hindus in Orissa, by Muslims in Indonesia, Pakistan, etc
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/245762/re-not-my-name-jonah-goldberg
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html?cat=9
    http://demo.newvoicemedia.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=53   )

    3. A really interesting response to the 'Burn a Quran Day' is found at this Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo  It is entitled, "The Original Burn-A-Quran Day", and recounts the history of Caliph Uthman (an early Muslim) burning all Qurans other than his own standardized copy.

    4. Have you ever read the Quran yourself?  I've read both the Quran and the Bible.  If you read the Quran, you will find verses like this: "Let there be no compulsion in religion; truth stands out clear from error." Sura 2:256 .... and you will also find verses like this: "Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush...." Sura 9:5
    These verses seem to contradict each other.  Peaceful Muslims take the former as overriding the latter, violent Muslims take the latter as overriding the former.  It is interesting to study the reasoning behind their interpretive decisions as to which parts of the Quran to obey and which parts to ignore.  Al Qaeda teaches that 9:5 "abrogates" (replaces, overrides) 2:256 because it was sent down later in Muhammad's life.  But liberal/peaceful Muslims tend to pick and choose only the parts from the Quran that they like, and so they tend to ignore 9:5.  Which is the "true Islam", and how would one know?

    The Bible, on the other hand, is consistent... the story/invitation about the glorious God who created the universe... who did not crush us humans as we deserved because of our rebellion against Him... but instead took upon Himself the penalty for our rebellion.  The innocent volunteered to pay for the guilty... because of His love for us...

    As Jesus said, "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."

  • Canaanite 'genocide'.... ?

    The questions about the Canaanite conquests recorded in the Bible used to bother me a lot, and since one of my friends recently raised the questions with me, I thought I'd post a few thoughts on it.  Below I'll point people to Glenn Miller's article at http://christian-thinktank.com/qamorite.html , and discuss four other thoughts:
    1. "Justice" will indeed be done, but not fully until Judgment Day.  Until then only limited/partial justice will be seen here on earth...
    2. Fairness - what do we really deserve?  What did the Canaanites really deserve?
    3. God is the 'Landlord'... and so He has the right to evict destructive tenants...
    4. True love always implies hatred of anything that hurts the beloved.  Besides loving the Israelites in a special way, did not God have some concern/love for all the people that the Canaanite nations were abusing and killing?  Did not God hear their cries?

     

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    The questions include:  How could a "God of love" order the destruction of millions of people?  What about the innocent babies and children?  What right did Israel have to come in and take over other countries' land?  How should one respond when other groups today use same passages to justify their wars of aggression (the Crusades, Jihad, etc)?

    If you have time, Glenn Miller's articles (such as http://christian-thinktank.com/qamorite.html ) are excellent and thought-provoking.  He has five to ten related articles about these things, and they're all fascinating.  They have helped me through these questions.  Here's a brief quote from his article:

    "Did God actually command Israel to do this, or did they just invent this divine sanction to justify territorial greed or genocidal tendencies?
    Why would God use a nation as questionable as the post-Exodus Israelites to deliver His "judgment" on the Canaanites? (Why not just use natural disasters, such as earthquakes [Num 16], volcanic-type phenomena [Gen 19], or plague [2 Kgs 19.35]?)
    What about all the innocent people killed in this "holy war"--families, "good" Canaanites, etc.? Even if it is 'okay' for God to execute judgment on nations within history, why didn't He only kill the evil-doers?
    Doesn't wholesale slaughter of nations seem a little incompatible with a God of Love and Mercy?

    These are NOT simple or light questions (if your heart is in right!), and so we must be VERY thorough in our analysis of the situation. We will need to approach this issue from a number of different sides, to make sure we have seen it clearly and from a large-enough perspective.
    We will use the following question-set in analyzing the issue:

    Do we have any precedents, paradigm cases, or similar incidents of such orders/actions to annihilate?
    Who exactly WERE these people that God wanted Israel to 'exterminate'?
    Were there any limits placed upon Israel in this venture, and what was the EXACT content of the orders?
    What general principles of God's governance might shed some light on the situation?"

    [end quote from Miller's article]

    Miller also discusses the "eviction" aspect of God's command to the Israelites ("drive them out"), noting that in most cases the Canaanites were free to convert to Judaism and follow God, or leave the country (and God gave them 40 years to do so! after hearing about the Israelites' leaving Egypt, until they actually crossed the Jordan)... I.e., there were only a few specific battles in which God said "you shall not leave anyone alive".
    Here are some more thoughts to consider.

    1. Consider what "justice" really means.  According to the Bible, God is just, but the full application of His justice will not be seen until Judgement Day. Here are a few out of many passages:

    1 Corinthians 4:5
    "Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God."

    Luke 12:
    47"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

    Revelation 20:12-13
    "And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds."

    So in the end, everything will be meted out justly...  Every wicked deed will be appropriately recompensed, and every good deed likewise.

    But in THIS life, on this side of Judgement Day, life is obviously "not fair".  Good people get cancer and have their houses destroyed by hurricanes.  Drug barons drive around in fancy luxurious cars while ordering the killing of innocent fathers and mothers and policemen.  Innocent Christians in many countries are thrown in jail and worse simply because they are Christians.

    There is SOME general sense in which the righteous 'usually' prosper 'in general', as Psalms and Proverbs state repeatedly, e.g. "The curse of the LORD is on the house of the wicked, But He blesses the dwelling of the righteous." (Proverbs 3:33)   But as the book of Job poetically explains, many times those who are righteous have HUGE troubles in their lives.

    Jesus answered a similar question in John 9:1-3:
    "As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth.
    And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?"
    Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him."

    Abraham was told that the Canaanites would be given hundreds of years to repent, before the order to destroy them was finally given:  Genesis 15:13-16
    "God said to Abram, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years.
    But I will also judge the nation whom they will serve, and afterward they will come out with many possessions.
    As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age.
    Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete."

    And the author of Psalm 73 likewise asks why the wicked seem to have it so good... here on earth at least...

       1Surely God is good to Israel,
    To those who are pure in heart!
    2But as for me, my feet came close to stumbling,
    My steps had almost slipped.
    3For I was envious of the arrogant
    As I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
    4For there are no pains in their death,
    And their body is fat.
    5They are not in trouble as other men,
    Nor are they plagued like mankind.
    6Therefore pride is their necklace;
    The garment of violence covers them.
    7Their eye bulges from fatness;
    The imaginations of their heart run riot.
    8They mock and wickedly speak of oppression;
    They speak from on high.
    9They have set their mouth against the heavens,
    And their tongue parades through the earth.
    10Therefore his people return to this place,
    And waters of abundance are drunk by them.
    11They say, "How does God know?
    And is there knowledge with the Most High?"
    12Behold, these are the wicked;
    And always at ease, they have increased in wealth.
    13Surely in vain I have kept my heart pure
    And washed my hands in innocence;
    14For I have been stricken all day long
    And chastened every morning.
    15If I had said, "I will speak thus,"
    Behold, I would have betrayed the generation of Your children.
    16When I pondered to understand this,
    It was troublesome in my sight
    17Until I came into the sanctuary of God;
    Then I perceived their end.
    18Surely You set them in slippery places;
    You cast them down to destruction.
    19How they are destroyed in a moment!
    They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!
    20Like a dream when one awakes,
    O Lord, when aroused, You will despise their form.

    In conclusion of this first observation, any "justice" we see on earth is only partial.  Sometimes the wicked are punished, but sometimes they are not... here on earth.   Eventually, at the Judgement Day, everyone will get what they deserve (or better than they deserve, because of Jesus Christ).

    As Glenn Miller puts it in his article, "On those very rare occasions when God displays His judgment within human history, it is very sobering and one which we find genuinely disturbing..."

     

    2. On "fairness" and "justice", this question seems crucial:   What do we all truly deserve?  

    For those of us who honestly see our own heart's wickedness and who believe what the Bible says about the evil of the human heart, the only answer is the Bible's answer (Romans 6:23) -  we all deserve death and hell.

    That is, the question about the Canaanite destruction is really not "how could a loving God command that millions of people be killed,"  but "Why would a holy God refrain from immediately destroying people such as the Canaanites or such as ourselves, when we commit such abhorrent sin all the time?"

    The latter question doesn't seem as relevant as the former to us sometimes, but it's because we often whitewash our own sins in our minds, and we forget the true horror of them.

    What about 'innocent' babies?  Well, although they haven't yet committed many conscious sins, they have the same corrupt soul and 'bent-toward-sinning' that all the rest of us are born with.  It is only a matter of time before their evil hearts cause them to commit specific sins.  As far as I can tell, God would be completely justified in destroying all of us, just as one might destroy a weed ravaging one's garden or a plate of moldy food in one's refrigerator.

    But He doesn't...    He waits with extreme patience, and calls us to repentance, and pays the price of our sins HIMSELF through Jesus Christ so that we can be forgiven.
    3. "God is the landlord."  That is, God owns the universe, and it seems reasonable that He has the right to evict tenants who don't follow His rules and who abuse His creation.   He could use anything - a flood, a plague, an earthquake... or, in principle, a human army.   God the Landlord can delegate and authorize human agents to be his eviction representatives...

    The main difficulty would then seem to be: how do we know that it's really God who's behind some agressive attack?  I think there is actually a smaller number of attacking armies than one might initially think who specifically claim to be acting on God's authority.... and each one's case has to be evaluated individually.  Two common ones might be the Crusades and the current jihadis.  The claim of the Crusades to be on God's authorization would stem back to the Popes and their alleged infallibility.  The claim of the jihadis to be authorized in killing 'infidels' would stem back to Mu ha m mad and his claims about the Qur an.

    Essentially the question about the Canaanite battles is closely related to the question of the death penalty and whether it's ever justified.  It seems pretty clear to me that in some cases it is...  Genesis 9:6 - "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man."
    4. True love implies enmity against anything that hurts the beloved.   Related to the previous point, when the Canaanites were sacrificing their children by burning them alive for hundreds of years, or raiding the sick and weak stragglers of the Israelite camp, or ravaging the hearts and bodies of so many within their own nation by their fertility-cult immorality, God was listening.  He is not deaf.  He is "the God who sees" (El-Roi - Genesis 16...)    Anyone who cared about the Canaanite babies and who had the power to do something about it would naturally be expected to do something about it...

    Here is some of what the Bible says about the Canaanite practices:  (copied from Glenn Miller's qamorite article... he also cites what secular scholars have found from extrabiblical sources)

    The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: `I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.
    6 "`No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.
    7 "`Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
    8 "`Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.
    9 "`Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
    10 "`Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.
    11 "`Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
    12 "`Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is your father's close relative.
    13 "`Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because she is your mother's close relative.
    14 "`Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
    15 "`Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife; do not have relations with her.
    16 "`Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother.
    17 "`Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
    18 "`Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
    19 "`Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
    20 "`Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her.
    21 "`Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
    22 "`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
    23 "`Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
    24 "`Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you. 29 "`Everyone who does any of these detestable things -- such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.'" (Lev 18)

    You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshipping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. (Deut 12.31)

    Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, (Deut 18.10)

    There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites. (I Kgs 14.24)

    So in summary of point #4, yes, it is shocking that God would order the destruction of some specific nations, but it is helpful to understand more about the practices of these nations, to put into context God's commanded destruction of them.

     

  • reactions to "House Church" book, etc

    A couple mini-posts today:

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    1.  I just finished reading "House Church" by Steven Atkerson.   Very fascinating and controversial book.   Highly recommended for provoking thought.

    I am wondering about various "church ministries" that exist today, and whether these would not be possible in a house church model, and which ministries would continue on unchanged, and whether if some ministries weren't possible if that would actually be a healthy thing somehow.

    Ministry examples:

    - Christian radio stations?  They'd probably be able to continue on unabated or with even better financial support

    - Christian camps?  Likewise.

    - Church choirs?  They would be replaced by other choirs, such as (Christian) school choirs, town choirs, etc.

    - Music lessons in general?  Probably still continuing on unabated.

    - Lengthy sermons that carefully and thoroughly expound a text?   Atkerson says that there is a separate place for "teaching meetings" for things like this, separate from the Lord's Supper fellowship/participation meetings that are the backbone and essence of "church."  But how would this work in practice?   On the plus side, "less teaching" might encourage the meditation and application of the smaller amount, just as in China they used to give out stones with a single Bible verse written on them to peasants, who would take the stone for a couple days or weeks and then swap.   On the negative side, Biblical illiteracy is already high in our churches... would reducing the external teaching exacerbate this?  But, it could be countered, the increase in shorter/participatory sermonettes might help to alleviate this...

    - Christian colleges? and schools?  I suppose these could continue on...  with their related research/excellence thrusts...

    - door to door evangelism groups?  These could continue...

    - organ playing?  handbell choirs?  The development of beautiful music for God's glory that relies on big, expensive instruments of these types?   This would likely cease...  yes?

     

    2. Thinking about Noah's flood and the decline in life spans from ~900 years down to ~120 years.  (cf. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/06/04/did-people-live-over-900-years  and John Sanford's book http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Entropy-Mystery-Genome-Sanford/dp/1599190028)

    The current creationist theories explain this through genetic bottlenecks (huge loss of genetic information from the healthy gene pool when 99.9% of the earth's population died in the Flood), which makes sense to me.

    Theologically, I find it interesting that humankind's evil tends to be magnified and amplified whenever many people are placed together in close proximity (e.g. the tower of Babel, and modern innercities), and that God specifically commanded that people spread out and fill the earth (i.e. go live in rural areas, instead of condensing into cities, at least until the earth was filled....) ... God sought to reduce the pain of the evil, until the end would come when He would remove it completely.

    Likewise, I think the same applies to Noah's Flood.   Why would God wipe them all out, while "never again" doing so throughout history, even though we are obviously just as evil?  One reason might be the lifespan issue.... when people are left to 'harden' in their sin for 900 years of life (as well as all their peers), perhaps the outcome is extremely horrible.   So God brought the flood to deliberately shorten our lives, out of mercy because our society would not get into the depths of evil that would otherwise occur.

    As Tim Keller points out, for redeemed perfect saints as we will someday be, the innercity will be the exact opposite... the close proximity of perfect saints to each other will form a 'critical mass' that will foment glory and beauty and white-hot pure love, and that's why the new Jerusalem will be a (cubical) city (rather than a Garden of Eden).
    3. A good wife is not 'snagged', but is a gratuitous/undeserved gift from God.

    Maybe other types of wife can be 'snagged', but not this type.
    4. Do babies go to heaven when they die?

    I'll delay this post because I don't have the time right now.  But I think it's a question worth pondering.

  • singleness will not be forever

    Regarding Charles Darwin's 200th birthday, www.CreationSafaris.com has some great analysis!   It's worth reading every day.

    Also, regarding the following quote:

    Why is knowing God and embracing His sovereignty so important when we're single? We have to keep in mind that we've received this gift of singleness from the pierced hand of the One who bore all of our sins - from unbelief as singles to selfishness as marrieds. We can be like Peter who initially rebuked Jesus for His humiliating, yet glorious, plan of redemption - or we can be like Mary, who came to accept His plan and purposes, and demonstrated it in the costly outpouring of perfume in anticipation of his burial. Confident of the Lord's good plan for our lives, we can emulate Mary and spend our treasures (youth, dreams, desires) to further His purposes on this earth.
    More importantly, when we are almost faint under the strain and worry of wondering if singleness is to be forever, we need to be reminded that there is an end to singleness: One day we will be at the wedding feast of the Lamb and we will be His bride. Even if we receive the gift of marriage on this side of heaven, that's not our ultimate goal. It is a shadow and a type of what is planned for eternity and, like all things on this earth, it will have its conclusion in death. Our Father knows the time when earthly gifts will be distributed and when they will be no more; He knows, as well, when the heavenly wedding feast will commence. We can blissfully rest in the knowledge that the future is better than anything we think we've missed now: Jesus is preparing us for the eternal rewards and eternal joys of a future He's told us is too inexpressible for us to understand. For His purposes, and within His covenant to always do us good (Jeremiah 33:40), He has declared for us that being single now and into the foreseeable future is His very best. He desires that we overflow with hope as we trust in him (Romans 15:13) and his sovereignty in this season -- redefining hope from hoping in a particular gift from God to trusting the God of hope unreservedly.  (
    http://www.cbmw.org/Resources/Articles/The-God-Who-Knows-the-End-of-Your-Singleness)

    ...the excellent point is made that singles have the UNIQUE opportunity to show to the world the desirability and value of God in the midst of their loneliness and heartache, just as marrieds have the UNIQUE opportunity to show to the world the desirability and value of God in the midst of the stresses of family relationships and needs... just as chronically-ill people have the UNIQUE opportunity to show to the world the desirability and value of God in the midst of their physical pain, just as.... every pain and every life-circumstance carries with it the special and unique opportunity to showcase God's glory and value...   YOU have a unique ability that no one else in the world has ever had or will ever had, in trusting wholeheartedly in God in the midst of your own unique life-situation...   in saying with David (Ps 39:7) "And now, Lord, for what do I wait? My hope is in You."  ...and with Jeremiah (Lam 3:27) "The Lord is my portion," says my soul, "therefore I have hope in Him."

    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
    In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls. (1 Peter 1:3-9)

  • humor... and what makes life 'fun'?

    a long ramble, probably not worth reading...  a dipping of the ladle into the frothing stew that is my mind of late...

    I came across this fascinating article on "what the Bible says about humor" via a google search today.  It's something I've been wondering about for a while, and lately much more than usual.... looking for ways in which to grow in this area in my life.

    Yet as the article mentions, Jesus and Paul and Peter and all the biblical folk seemed very serious.  Consider especially Jesus.  On the one hand, he was apparently VERY popular... invited often to dine, invited to weddings, etc.  His first miracle was to create wine for a wedding, of all things. He was known as a "friend of tax collectors and sinners", and His enemies called him "a glutton and a drunkard."

    On the other hand, his recorded words seem extremely serious at all times - unceasingly challenging people about where they stood in relationship to God.  For example, Luke 9:43-44- "But while everyone was marveling at all that He was doing, He said to His disciples, "Let these words sink into your ears; for the Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men."" or Luke 6 "Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. ...Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep."

    Was Jesus ever sad?  Oh yes... He "began to be very distressed and troubled", He "wept", etc.  If one of us were to go around telling our friends all day that we were going to be persecuted and killed in the near future, our friends would probably consider us paranoid and improperly morbid.  But Jesus did this.

    But on the other hand, Jesus never seemed truly "worried" about anything.  Everything was a matter of simple trust in His Father... that His Father would provide everything that was necessary at just the right time.  (Luke 11:1-13, Matt. 6:25-34, etc).   When the disciples were scared about visiting Jerusalem, Jesus calmly went right ahead, knowing that "His hour had not yet come".  The closest Jesus seemed to come to worrying (yet not even then) was the night before He knew He was going to be killed and to suffer the penalty of eternal death for our sins.

    Obviously some people are more naturally humorous than others.  But to what extent ought we to seek to be fun people to be around, to laugh more for the sake of laughing more, to engage in 'widely-considered-fun' activities for the sake of connecting more with our (entertainment-focused) American culture...?   Or is that the wrong direction, and instead we ought to just focus on God and trusting Him more and delighting in Him more and reveling more in the salvation/glory He has promised us, and simply decide not to care whether other people think we are boring or not?

    I.e. I've heard it said (quite prevalently in the mainstream American Christian culture), "we ought to be the happiest / most joyful people on earth" (with which I almost certainly agree, because of what God has done for us).  I've also heard it said, "let's show our non-Christian friends that we Christians know how to have fun; that we're not boring and unable to laugh" (with which I am not nearly as certain as to whether I agree...  because the Bible predicts that the world will "hate" us and "revile" us, and even that they will definitely think that we are boring and worse... 1 Peter 4:3-5).   Especially at this time in the American church, where what is 'fun and exciting' seems often to take precedence over what is 'true'.

    A quote from the article above: "If we eliminate everything sexual, everything scatological, everything snide and hurtful, we eliminate much of what passes for humor nowadays."

    True.  Yet what is left?  What is humor?  Isn't humor essentially an instinctual pleasure that arises when we see or hear something 'unexpected' (especially in someone else's life)?  I.e. a sudden 'reverse' from the way things are expected... whether neutral (common as in puns), unfortunate (very common), or fortunate (uncommon).  What is appropriate/good humor?  Is it something that should be sought in our lives (cf. Paul "I have become all things to all men, so that I might by all means save some," speaking of becoming like one 'under the law' or like one 'not under the law' depending on who he was with)?  Or is humor / funniness / fun-ness-to-be-around something NOT to be pursued, a byproduct of being delighted in God alone?    If it is the case that people in general do not find me enjoyable to be around, is this my fault or theirs, and how would I know?  And if (as is likely) there are some areas in which I need to change, how do I change??

    I've also been thinking a bit about the sense of humor that God (the One True God, the God of the Bible, the Creator) exhibits.  What things make God laugh?   (Would God laugh at Monty Python's "Holy Grail"?)

    It seems from my reading of scripture that the things that God enjoys are likewise "reversals", just like human humor.  But particularly, 'reversals' in which He Himself gets the glory and the honor, in the end.

    (And as Jonathan Edwards and John Piper point out, it is not 'selfish' at all for God to seek His own glory... rather, it is the only proper goal for Him... if He were to seek to glorify anything other than Himself, it would be wrong/improper... but it just so happens that God in His love has graciously chosen to 'take along with Him' a group of us who have been undeservedly swept up in His grand masterpiece of creation, salvation, and glory...  so that when God 'seeks His own glory', (e.g. Isaiah 48:11), He is also seeking our greatest good in the process..)

    So the things that make God laugh:

        Why are the nations in an uproar
    And the peoples devising a vain thing?
    The kings of the earth take their stand
    And the rulers take counsel together
    Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
    "Let us tear their fetters apart
    And cast away their cords from us!"
    He who sits in the heavens laughs,
    The Lord scoffs at them. 

    Then He will speak to them in His anger
    And terrify them in His fury, saying,
    "But as for Me, I have installed My King
    Upon Zion, My holy mountain."  (Psalm 2:1-6)

    ...at the very thought of a puny group of humans thwarting God's omnipotent strength... Ha!  The idea of a group of 'powerful men' 'taking secret counsel together' (ooh, wow, someone's going to be in big trouble, I wonder who) against God, the Creator of the Universe?!?! (majorly unexpected subject... perfect humor reaction... )

    Similarly:

       If you had responded to my rebuke, I would have poured out my heart to you and made my thoughts known to you.
    But since you rejected me when I called and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice and would not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh at your disaster; I will mock when calamity overtakes you - when calamity overtakes you like a storm, when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you.
    Then they will call to me but I will not answer; they will look for me but will not find me. Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the LORD, since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.
    Proverbs 1.23ff

    But He also says:

    "Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked," declares the Lord GOD, "rather than that he should turn from his ways and live? ...
    "Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
    "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord GOD. "Therefore, repent and live."
    Ezekiel 18:23,31-32

    This is God's own heart-longing, and simultaneously His sovereign decree - He would much rather that everyone would repent and return to Him and receive His free salvation that He purchased at His own terrible expense.  But when people reject and scorn His love and subsequently receive what they deserve (i.e. what we all deserve, but what some of us will not receive), when the tables are turned, when those who were once proud and arrogant and 'didn't need God' are at that time revealed for who they truly are and sent to their final deserved destination, when justice is finally fully served and God is revealed as the only truly Righteous One, the Beautiful One, etc, He will laugh.  Despite the pain and heartache involved in the romance and the courtship, the marriage of God and His Bride (us Christians) will be the ultimate 'happy ending'.   (and as Lewis says, it's really rather a beginning than an ending... the story beyond the title page...)

    For more on this, check out Hannah's prayer, Mary's prayer, Zechariah's prayer, and so much more.  It seems like the whole Bible is streaked with this theme... that God chooses the "despised things of the world" (1 Cor 1-3) and raises them up to show His power/glory while allowing the 'great and mighty things of the world' to fall under their own inherent creaturely insufficiency. "After the last tear falls," there will be love, yes, but that's only half of the story.  There will be justice.  There will be retribution.  There will be rewards.  There will be fully-deserved Hell for most people, and tears for those people forever.  But there will be love and undeserved Heaven for those of us who have been adopted and ransomed by the Great True God.  "Many who are first will be last, and the last, first."

    Back to the subject of fun, humor, and enjoyable/juicy life.  What makes you happy?  What makes me happy?  Is happiness dependent on circumstances?   Ought it to be?  Is my happiness dependent on others' perceptions of me?  I.e., would I be perfectly happy except that I have noticed that certain people consider me and my life boring and dry and arid, after which subsequently I find myself adopting their opinion and viewing my own life as boring and dry and arid?  (btw, my situation is not quite that bad, I'm just saying this for the discussion, though there is definitely some heat underneath the boiling stew pot of my mind).

    What makes a fun life?   Some people would say, 'contentment'.   I.e. whatever you do, enjoy it, be content in it.  The secular world says this all the time, and there is a substantial amount of truth in it, imho.  E.g. "If life gives you lemons, make lemonade."  Good thought.  How much more applicable to those of us who have been adopted by God!  Because for us, there is no such thing as an ultimately "bad" thing ever happening to us again.  Every single thing that happens to one of us God's children has been carefully allowed/sent from God's loving hand to work something good in our lives.

    But is "I know everything will work together for good" the same as "a fun life"?   Other people say, "hobbies" are what makes life fun.   Other people say, "friends".  Other people say, "marriage."  "Paintball."  "Golf."  "Chocolate."    "Serving other people."

    I am of the opinion, of course, that 'contentment' is closer than these other things... at least for those of us who belong to God (those who are still enemies of God had better pay very close attention to the last vestiges of the "something's wrong here" feeling nagging at their hearts!)   I.e. if I (as a Christian) ever get the feeling that my life is 'not fun', I need to step back and take a careful look at who I am in Christ, and what I have to look forward to after death, and then take careful stock again of The Great Blessing and all the gazillions of temporal blessings He has given to me.  And then I must "choose to be content" / "choose to be happy" / "choose to delight myself in Him" regardless of my circumstances.   And then I can begin adding hobbies and pastimes and ministries and friendships, but always watchful/mindful to make sure I'm not relying on those things to fill me up and make me happy.

    So that's the theory.  Is the theory correct?  Is the whole concept of "a fun life" an illusion that I have been suckered into by my society?  Let's say for the purpose of argument that the two main questions I am wrestling with are: "what personal activies/hobbies/(and even characteristics in friends that I choose) do I enjoy (as opposed to what other people enjoy, and I just think I enjoy because I am influenced by my peers)", and, "if I ever feel like life is empty or hollow, what is the appropriate remedy? A. seek to delight myself more in God, B. seek to fill up my life with more "fun activities", C. "both A and B" (but how can this be?!?!?!? how is it possible to 'serve two masters', to 'bear fruit for God' while simultaneously 'choking oneself with the cares and riches of this life'?), or, D. some other option that I am not aware of."

    Let's say for the sake of argument that what I really need in my life is not more "humor" or more "funniness" or more "fun-life-activities/hobbies", but more satisfaction in God... such that I am content and brimming over with thankfulness and joy regardless of 'how my day is going' or 'what my peers are saying about me today'.   And let's also postulate that what I need specifically in my life is more love (and 'bolder love') for other people.  The two are linked of course - only if I am satisfied in God can I truly be free to love others.  Only if I am confident that His opinion of me is certain/unchanging/constant/overwhelmingly-intense agape-love, can I confidently reach out to others... secure in the fact that if my efforts 'fall flat' or are rejected, it really doesn't matter because I have Someone who loves me.

    (In this sense I and everyone in the world is 'feminine' compared to God... in the love vs respect gradient... i.e. the stereotype is that men want respect/honor/esteem and women want love... and I have found the stereotype to be overwhelmingly accurate.  But compared to God, none of us can hope for His respect (except the angel's greeting to Daniel? and Is. 66:2?), we can only receive His love, and obey Him... )

    But then let's say God does put more love in my heart for other people, such that I am just overflowing with love all the time toward others.  Wouldn't this be seen as "extremely uncool" in almost all areas of our society?  I.e. what my society values is "fun" and "scintillation", NOT "love" (i.e. Greek agape, unconditional sacrificial love).  And especially not in a man!!  The more I move in that direction, so it would seem, the more "wussified" (and maybe even "gay") I would seem to be viewed.  I.e. I would seem to be moving in the exact opposite of the direction that John Eldredge recommends followers of Christ move in today's society.  Of course John Eldredge might be wrong (and there are other leaders that advocate a much 'softer' and more feminized version of Christian manhood, with the emphasis on 'brokenness' rather than 'masculinity').  But the questions continue.  As a youth leader, I am to be an example to the young men in my care.  An example of Christlikeness, hopefully, not an example of American worldliness.  But what would Christ look like as a youth leader?  Would they say of Him, "Yeah!  My youth leader is Jesus!  He's so cool!  He's buff and athletic and extremely cool.  He has a rapier wit, and he's down with the latest music and movies.  When he throws a party, you definitely want to be there.  Jesus is the most happening person I know."   OR would they say,   "Um yeah, I'm stuck with Jesus as my youth leader. He's pretty much the most uncool person I know. Whenever I'm trying to talk about football or cars or hot girls or paintball, he's always in my face telling me that I need to 'repent of my sins' and 'love God with all my heart' or 'seek to enter the narrow gate.'  Whenever I used to ask him if he had heard an album or seen a movie, he would say, 'Do the images and dialog and plot of that movie help you to glorify God?'   I now try to avoid him whenever possible."

    Yet if "overflowingness-with-love" is a character facet that pleases God, should I not pursue this with reckless abandon, given that God is far more important than any and all other people, and his opinion is far more important than "society's" opinion?

    And yes, there is still a "main situation" prompting much of this questioning, occurring currently in my life, in which I admit that I would really really really appreciate your prayers for me, for wisdom... that I would walk wisely through this situation, that the situation would bring me closer to God, that I would behave in a way that I would not regret afterward, that I would be a good example to those who are watching my life, and chiefly that I would value and be-satisfied-in God as my highest and top goal/priority/love.  I am thankful to God for putting me in this spot, as it has prompted me to seek wisdom and to seek to understand myself better (and life itself in nomological ways).  But I really need His help to get me through.  Thanks to all of you for your prayer and support.

    And thanks mostly to You, God.   You have given me eternal life with You, despite my immense sins and my inherent unworthiness.

     

  • the spiritual brain

    Fellow Xangan Lance "FKIProfessor" posted a thorough review of the fascinating-sounding book "The Spiritual Brain". You can read his review here: http://www.xanga.com/FKIProfessor/632686621/the-spiritual-brain.html .

    The book seems to be a good example of the growing number of non-Christian non-materialist scientists.  I.e. they don't believe that we humans are just 'machines'; they believe there is a 'spiritual' aspect to us as well, but they do not believe in the Biblical portrayal of a personal God who created the world and who has related to us in the past, currently relates to us in some ways, and will be fully revealed to the whole world in glory at some point in the future.  As an example, it's interesting to note that the Dalai Lama (top Tibetan Buddhist leader) was invited to give the keynote address to the 30000 scientists present at the "Neuroscience" conference in 2005, about spirituality and the brain.

    One especially fascinating aspect of the book (from Lance's review; I haven't read it myself) is the discussion of the "God areas" of the brain.  I.e., there is some experimentation investigating areas of the brain which reportedly when electrically stimulated can produce 'out of body' experiences, mystical experiences, etc.  And the 'God gene' - the idea that some people are more susceptible than others to 'mystical experiences of God'.

    I would actually not be surprised if there really is an area of the human brain which is closely tied to mystical experiences, or even genetic components which enhance the function of this area.  But of course I don't think that that would rule out the existence of the human soul, any more than a team of researchers investigating a locked running car from underneath coming across a 'gas pedal rod' which revved the engine, could legitimately conclude that there was no longer any need to suppose that cars need 'drivers'.

    And this research really underscores for me that my faith in God through Jesus Christ is NOT based on subjective experiences.  I do not believe in Him (primarily) because I have "felt" God's presence (although I have) or experienced specific answers to prayer (although I have).  Rather, my faith in Him is based primarily on the evidence from history, especially the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.  If He really rose, and the evidence indicates that He did, then the God He preached about is real, regardless of whether I "feel" Him today or not.

    If you want to delve further, Glenn Miller's writings on this (e.g. http://www.christian-thinktank.com/sh6end.html) are very interesting.  He tends to be more 'subjectively oriented' than me about the basis for his faith, but he makes some interesting points (and certainly believes with me the 'objective' bases found in the historical record).

    What is your faith in God based upon?   What evidence for the reality of God do you have that you could not attribute to an "imaginary friend?"  Or if you do not believe in the God of the Bible, what do you think about my reasons for believing in Him?

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